Andy

Agree, removing a single word would have immediately changed it to be less London-focused but without any detrimental effect!

Also if you remove ‘back’ from ‘back into London’ it would immediately make it less London-oriented!

pigeon

Untrue – https://paliparan.com/2023/12/12/new-nightjet-expensive-prices/

Vienna to Amsterdam is €1000.

Lady London

РЖД are very comfortable, good sleeper arrangements, not to mention cheap. Restaurant cars are decent too. No wonder the Rusky was disappointed.

ChrisBCN

By that rationale should the journeys cost £500? Or, to go further, if a taxpayer funded my hospital stay should I have to pay for the NHS food?

John

Crewe on the Highlander as well, probably easier for Birmingham.

Rob

Which tbh isn’t great either what with free mini bars more common nowadays

Rob

Yes but BA would very quickly run out of aeroplanes if they only flew from London and not only also to London

John

Oebb makes the NightJet work with lower fares…is this down to lower capital costs?

Oebb recently paid € 500 mil for 20 trains + locomotives, so that’s € 25 mil a train. In contrast, the Scotrail trains are £37.5 mil each (excluding locomotive, but I suspect more carriages).

No longer Entitled

The local ‘spoons used to be a titty-bar 👀

broomy23

If you’re concerned about the environment you can take a day train. Faster and less likely to be cancelled.

tony

I’d pay for someone to drive my car (with me and family and stuff in it) from London to Edinburgh / Glasgow to start off a Scottish car trip.

babyg_wc

Looks pretty much like a lot of airport lounges to me.

G

It’s 10p for zone one only trips but 60p for zone 1-2 trips.

Don’t let your bias get in the way of accuracy.

G

You would still be moaning if it was a 10p increase!
No pleasing some people!

Gordon

Hence the “for a change”!

gavalar

I suspect that after a few return journeys hit the P&L, you’ll be back on the plane.

Richard T

My late uncle worked for a windscreen replacement company in Stirling, part of their core business was replacing broken glass for BR. Windscreen and ballast aren’t good partnerships.

This was in the days before the A74M and Newbury bypass though and cars were nowhere near as comfortable. There’s no way that a rail service could economically compete with Stirling to the M25 in 6 hours.

Richard T

I vaguely recall using Motorail in the 1970s with my parents – I was still in short trousers – to get from Newcastle to Bristol. The platform & height barrier at Paddington is still in evidence, although suspect construction means that couldn’t be resurrected easily.

LittleNick

More likely is from paranoia of being blamed for sexual assaults.
(which is also presumably the reason for no sharing of compartments with strangers now)

lumma

You don’t? TOC employees like me do. 😬

Gordon

Shaving 10p of tube fares is small comfort for those commuting into zone 1/2.

TGLoyalty

I searched for flights on 3/4/24 going to Inverness from a London airport. Earliest arrival time is 11:10 using Easyjet from Luton, which is listed as a London airport.

lumma

This was Expedia.
Apologies. I did many searches to get my facts straight and then I quoted the results of the wrong search.
Yes you are right it was Economy. And yes this was Easyjet.

TGLoyalty

So something that is sold out EVERY DAY (with about 5 exceptions) for February, March, April, May, June and July is overpriced at £500?

It is very clearly underpriced based on any standard supply / demand analysis. I’m not sure, as a taxpayer, I should be providing extra subsidy for something which could clearly sell out many times over at the current rate.

If we had sold out every ad spot on HfP until August I’d be whacking up my prices, I promise you.

Rick MacLeod

The £5.50 for a bacon roll is all the more puzzling when Club passengers get free breakfast on board – and the lounge is only open to Club passengers.

I get that the munificence of the Scottish taxpayer only goes so far, but they could offer a voucher for brekkie in the lounge in lieu of something on the train, as the extra time to sleep is welcome on the lowland service.

Alan

Last time I did it from Glasgow, I was asleep before we’d made it to Carstairs. It’s not always the most restful night but I’ve had more than a few decent journeys on it.

Novice

I don’t think they’ve intentionally priced it so high. Train fares are crazy all across the U.K. and this just matches

Fact I can get to European cities via planes cheaper than U.K. cities via train tells you it’s a bit broken

Jimmy

While I agree you could walk a little further and plenty of other places. It was just an example of a brand new pub very close by