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  • Viper 10 posts

    Good afternoon! I am at the early stages of planning our honeymoon and don’t have enough points experience to have the confidence in creating a plan to maximise their redemption. Historically I only really used my points to upgrade flights.

    We are looking at the typical destinations such as Mauritius, Seychelles, Maldives etc in late August with flights in Business. In general I am comfortable with finding flights with miles, but I am not au fait with hotels or full holiday planning with them. I don’t mind cash bookings with points to assist, e.g booking prem economy and upgrading.

    Currently I have:
    Avios: 279,400
    Exec club: 2x BA Barclacys Cabin Upgrade Voucher
    Amex: 225,870

    I understand that the cabin upgrade vouchers are a little limiting and can only be used on a full Avios flight booking only, not a BA holidays booking, which I guess could rule out a full BA holiday booking as a lucrative option?

    I would appreciate any advise available on the best way for me to consider using the points for flight/hotels.

    Thank you!

    NorthernLass 6,461 posts

    Do you mean August this year? If so, you need to get cracking if you want award seats as at peak periods they get snapped up very quickly. There’s virtually nothing left for Maldives at that time, and BA no longer flies to Seychelles (QR does but may well be charging double avios on your travel dates).

    You can convert Amex points to Hilton and Marriott, so either of those could be an option.

    I think you can now use avios to part pay a BA Holiday, but you are correct that you wouldn’t be able to use a Barclays upgrade (or BAPP companion) voucher . The Barclays voucher also requires you to pay the maximum avios option, which you’d need to factor in.

    BBbetter 370 posts

    As NL says, its a bit late to plan direct flights for these destinations. You’ll have to settle for premium economy or connections on Qatar to use avios.
    If you’d prefer to maximise the vouchers, fly direct on BA to India (plenty of availability) and from there you can connect to Maldives, Koh Samui or even Bali. Marriott allows part payment using points (decent value). You can even stay at one of the famous palace hotels for something different between connections and you’ll be treated like royalty.
    Not a big fan of Mauritius – the resorts charge close to Maldivian rates but the beaches are nowhere close to the azure waters of Maldives.

    Viper 10 posts

    Thank you for the info. Indeed it is August this year; it was a quicky planned wedding due to family illness and I do realise it will definitely limit the reward options.

    I did notice Qatar as a connecting option for one of the destinations which definitely interests me if there was any chance of a Q suite, I’d happily take a connection to have that over Club World. I also hadn’t considered India as a connection, mainly as I’ve never had an interest in it as a destination, but I’ll look at it for connection options, thanks.

    Are hotel rewards usually seen as better or worse redemptions than flights?

    Also thank you for the feedback about Mauritius, very helpful!

    NorthernLass 6,461 posts

    Sorry to hear about the family illness.

    You’d need to look at points prices for hotels you’re thinking of booking, and calculate how the value compares to flight redemptions. Unless you’ve got a lot of free time, you’re probably better locking in your flights then deciding what to do about accommodation. Is paying cash for flights definitely an option? If so, pay for the flights then look to maximising your hotel redemptions. Or book one flight with avios and one on a cash or BAH booking.

    Don’t forget that to use avios to upgrade, you need award availability in that cabin.

    Have you looked at using avios to get to DOH on QR, then connecting to MLE or SEZ? Those connections are only 4/5 hours so doable in economy while you spend more avios on better seats on the UK-DOH leg (though again, QR seem to have pesky double pricing whenever it’s school holidays!)

    Unless you’re teachers or have similar work commitments (or children!), I would even consider delaying the honeymoon a couple of months to when prices will be lower and the weather probably better.

    I looked at Mauritius a couple of times but it’s in a further zone so more avios and a very long flight for a destination which may well not deliver!

    Viper 10 posts

    Unfortunately my partner is indeed very selfish and is a teacher! Cash booking for the flights definitely is an option. I had seen the BA to DOH then QR connection, ideally I’d avoid BA but I know that option will be very limited due to my timescale.

    I’ll have a look on Marriott and see what they’ve got and see what points that would take up. Thanks!

    I might give Maldives a miss, as I keep forgetting that it could cost an extra few thousand for the island transfers

    memesweeper 1,156 posts

    BA still sell holidays to SEZ. Connection in Doha. This makes the possibility of one traveller on a redemption and one on a cash holiday a shade more likely than two redemptions if you can get the flight times to line up.

    More likely for a redemption for two might be Nairobi, but again in August this will be difficult. Mumbai better chances of a redemption at the expense of very infrequent connections to Mahe. Separate tickets would be high-risk on this route.

    Singapore Airlines is showing some availability through Turkish in August. 100k Krisflyer miles return each from IST, more from London. That might be bookable at a more advantageous rate through another partner of Turkish that is also a partner of Amex. Separate tickets less of a risk if you put a tight-ish connection on the return provided you have the right insurance.

    CamFlyer 31 posts

    BA still sell holidays to SEZ. Connection in Doha. This makes the possibility of one traveller on a redemption and one on a cash holiday a shade more likely than two redemptions if you can get the flight times to line up.

    More likely for a redemption for two might be Nairobi, but again in August this will be difficult. Mumbai better chances of a redemption at the expense of very infrequent connections to Mahe. Separate tickets would be high-risk on this route.

    Singapore Airlines is showing some availability through Turkish in August. 100k Krisflyer miles return each from IST, more from London. That might be bookable at a more advantageous rate through another partner of Turkish that is also a partner of Amex. Separate tickets less of a risk if you put a tight-ish connection on the return provided you have the right insurance.

    Or put in an overnight connection, in DOH or IST, using bA for the first leg and QR (from DOH) or TK (from IST) for the second, with an overnight stopover. It’s a bit less convenient, but could be the best way of getting miles availability for the desired dates and destinations; I often find that ex-UK availability is much harder to find than the second leg. While IST isn’t as convenient as the old Ataturk airport, it was a very easy place for an overnight transit. If to DOH, the Barclays vouchers would be helpful.

    masaccio 656 posts

    Since you are looking for beach destinations, have you thought of the Caribbean? BA has August availability to St Lucia in August and there are plenty of flash hotels, but I don’t think many of them will be available for MRs.

    Grenada has some availability and is a more interesting island. Marriott appears to own Laluna which is a boutique hotel.

    For hotels, you could convert your MRs to Avios and use Avios, but the value stinks at 0.5p per Avios.

    If you stick to the windward islands, the hurricane risk is hugely over-egged. Weather in August is much the same as the Maldives. Expect rain at least half the days you are there, but typically for about 20 minutes.

    Cat 119 posts

    Just a bit of advice wrt the Seychelles – I highly recommend you don’t stay in a big chain hotel there, unless you can afford one of the ones on Praslin (Raflles and Constance Lemuria). The most beautiful beaches are to be found on Praslin and La Digue, but most people here seem to go to Mahe and never explore further, as that’s where the big chain hotels are.

    Mahe is very nice, but it pales in comparison to Praslin and La Digue (and there’s less drunk driving, and less of a heroin problem on those islands too, in fact, there are hardly any cars on La Digue…). You can find no end of lovely independent hotels on either island, and they’re not that expensive. Praslin and La Digue are just paradise.

    Have a look at flights with Qatar – you may very well find some in the summer holidays still.

    Good luck!

    can2 306 posts

    it is a pickle.
    I value BAPP vouchers highly, you cannot use them in QR.
    And you don’t have much time to book.
    And in my understanding, honeymoons often happen after weddings, so your dates must be fixed more or less.
    I’d check availabilities and decide based on that rather than burning my vouchers.
    You mention these islands but, if there is availability, one can also consider thailand via singapore, or vietnam etc, or central america, carribbeans.
    The key is flexibility.

    NorthernLass 6,461 posts

    Weddings have evolved considerably since my own modest nuptials back in the 90s! Nowadays it’s not unheard of to have separate foreign stag and hen dos, followed by a lavish ceremony, followed by a luxurious domestic mini-break, followed a couple of months later by the honeymoon proper which has been delayed due to clashing dates/weather or price at destination/childcare issues/some other inconvenience.

    I would also second the Caribbean. Availability to NAS and GCM can be surprisingly good in summer and the weather generally not too wet until well into September. GCM especially has a decent selection of Marriott and IHG properties; though cash and points rates are very high, summer sees some big discounts as it’s classed as low season.

    The Kimpton Seafire is an outstanding sweet spot at 70k points no matter when you go (for now!), if you have a way of getting IHG points.

    NorthernLass 6,461 posts

    ***SeatSpy is currently showing plenty of CW to NAS and GCM (it’s the same flight), including on August 27th, which is off-peak!

    And it currently departs from LHR T3, so nice lounges.

    Whatsthepoint 96 posts

    The Caribbean in August. Height of the hurricane season, I wouldn’t touch it with a barge pole. Mauritius is a great idea though. We’ve been and it’s a great place to visit. Plenty of great beach hotels but also other stuff to do. Not sure what the weather is like then though.

    NorthernLass 6,461 posts

    We’ve been to GCM in August several years running due to school holiday restrictions, you get the odd downpour but it soon passes over. It’s quieter than the Med at that time of year, and also competitively priced due to it being “low” season. Hurricanes are relatively rare but historically have mostly passed through September – November.

    If you have IHG points, the Kimpton Seafire is fabulous and one of the few remaining “sweet spots” at 70k per night.

    Barbados is another option which lies outside the main hurricane belt, but award seats tend to go quickly in school holidays.

    To dare is to do 126 posts

    Another vote for Mauritius, we had a great time there so much to do if you want to or do nothing if that’s your thing. Just remember beach shoes as island is surrounded by coral reef and it washes up on beach. I’ve been to several Caribbean islands in fact got married in Antigua but much prefer Indian Ocean.

    NorthernLass 6,461 posts

    Very little avios availability though for MRU, for August/September, it’s one you need to book at T-355 for peak dates.

    If using avios/241, is it worth the extra avios, being in the zone beyond MLE and Caribbean?

    Whatsthepoint 96 posts

    You might get lucky in the Caribbean in August but do you want to risk it for a Honeymoon?
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_2023_Atlantic_hurricane_season

    meta 1,379 posts

    Just a bit of advice wrt the Seychelles – I highly recommend you don’t stay in a big chain hotel there, unless you can afford one of the ones on Praslin (Raflles and Constance Lemuria). The most beautiful beaches are to be found on Praslin and La Digue, but most people here seem to go to Mahe and never explore further, as that’s where the big chain hotels are.

    Mahe is very nice, but it pales in comparison to Praslin and La Digue (and there’s less drunk driving, and less of a heroin problem on those islands too, in fact, there are hardly any cars on La Digue…). You can find no end of lovely independent hotels on either island, and they’re not that expensive. Praslin and La Digue are just paradise.

    Have a look at flights with Qatar – you may very well find some in the summer holidays still.

    Good luck!

    +1 I loved our beach villa on Praslin with a private beach (beaches are not private, but access is either through private property or via boat), meaning I could just get from my bed and swim. I didn’t like much the service or the rooms at Hilton hotels, although the beach at Doubletree had an excellent coral and amazing sea life.

    meta 1,379 posts

    Regarding Mauritius I’d avoid southwest (La Morne) and northwest (where IC and some Marriott hotels are) and stay northeast to southeast.

    This is especially true in July/August/September when it’s very windy in the south. Also end of Dec/Jan/Feb is to be avoided due to cyclones.

    NorthernLass 6,461 posts

    You might get lucky in the Caribbean in August but do you want to risk it for a Honeymoon?
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_2023_Atlantic_hurricane_season

    We must have got lucky every year since 2017 then!

    Whatsthepoint 96 posts

    You’ve been very lucky. GCM has some kind of impact from a tropical storm or hurricane in August every few years including a direct hit on August 18th 2021. That would make a great honeymoon?

    Whatsthepoint 96 posts

    You might get lucky in the Caribbean in August but do you want to risk it for a Honeymoon?
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_2023_Atlantic_hurricane_season

    We must have got lucky every year since 2017 then!

    And you might get lucky for another 7 years but it’s likely you won’t. Would you really want to risk it for a Honeymoon? I wouldn’t but that’s up to the OP. Better to know before you commit?

    NorthernLass 6,461 posts

    @Whatsthepoint, how much time have you actually spent in the region in “hurricane season”? Millions of people travel there each summer and the vast majority of these trips are not blighted by poor weather.

    Americans, especially, visit the islands in their school and college summer holidays much as Europeans visit the Med, and rarely encounter any issues. We know people who have visited GCM every summer for 20 or 30 years without incident.

    The OP absolutely may not want to risk it, and that’s fine, but you’re exaggerating the risk to a ridiculous degree.

    masaccio 656 posts

    @Whatsthepoint, how much time have you actually spent in the region in “hurricane season”? Millions of people travel there each summer and the vast majority of these trips are not blighted by poor weather. Americans, especially, visit the islands in their school and college summer holidays much as Europeans visit the Med, and rarely encounter any issues.

    The OP absolutely may not want to risk it, but you’re exaggerating the risk to a ridiculous degree.

    Serious storms in Grenada are rarer than you suggest @Whatsthepoint. Being on the affected part of the island when the storm lands is very unlikely as a tourist.

    More information here – https://hurricanecity.com/city/grenada.htm

    I think the riskiest thing I do in my life is drive to work.

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